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(Message started by: MGW on Jun 13th, 2015, 1:16pm)

Title: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by MGW on Jun 13th, 2015, 1:16pm
Who can tell me who the old guy was that run the fruit stall next to ilford train station.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Toby on Jun 19th, 2015, 1:43pm
Judging by the lack of replies it must be Billy No Mates :)

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Pompadour on Jun 19th, 2015, 7:45pm
E was the apple of his mothers eye. ;-D

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Toby on Jun 19th, 2015, 9:57pm
He had a twin brother....they were a pear.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Pompadour on Jun 20th, 2015, 2:32pm
Didn't they move to brussles.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by ktype on Jun 24th, 2015, 6:07pm
From memory, his name was Fred - but it was about 40 years ago since he retired, so I could be wrong!

He used to do a roaring trade there but the two young lads who took it over from him didn't seem to want to put the effort in to keep it running smoothly and it closed soon afterwards.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by yanny on Jun 24th, 2015, 9:30pm
chances are that it is now run by someone who owns a lot of other fruit stalls within east London/Essex area...... gone are the days of one person running their own one fruit/veg stall,......   these days that sort of person is usually brought out by some hotshot person with a lot of money who likes "to run the area".......   :-/

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by gina452dy on Jun 24th, 2015, 9:50pm
His name was GEORGIE WOODS, he used to drink with my family in the Black Horse pub (it's now been taken over by Joe Coral's Bookmakers).

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Scribbles on Jun 24th, 2015, 11:15pm

on 06/24/15 at 18:07:55, ktype wrote:
From memory, his name was Fred - but it was about 40 years ago since he retired, so I could be wrong!


In the 1970s, Fred ran the fruit & veg stall at Seven Kings station and was quite a character. I think he retired sometime in the early 1980s. I don't recall a stall at Ilford station during my time in the area but I can't swear that you're wrong - maybe he preferred the Seven Kings ambience and moved?

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by gina452dy on Jun 25th, 2015, 11:11am
There was a fruit (not veg) stall between Ilford Railway Station & Pops Tobacco shop in Cranbrook road, it was small,(like a small lock up, not like the big ones in Ilford today.

He's passed away now, but his  name was definitely Georgie Woods, i'm 100% certain of this as he was a family friend.

The stall in Seven Kings, that may be the one in Cameron Road, I shopped from him several times but I never knew him personally or his name.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Scribbles on Jun 25th, 2015, 11:38am
During the time I knew it, Fred's stall was right outside the Station entrance at Seven Kings. There was a tiny lock-up space between the station doors and Mrs Mitchell's sweet shop next door where he used to stow everything away at night.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by gina452dy on Jun 25th, 2015, 1:47pm
Yes, I remember the sweet shop next door too!
Is the sweet shop & fruit stall still there, next time i'm in that area i'll check it out.

I was just checking over the history of Ilford & came across the Ilford discussion board & saw the question about the fruit stall.

I wanted to find out about Audrey road history (where I live in a council house), an old man who's lived on this road for donkeys years & worked at the old photographic company (where the new Sainsbury's is now), they owned his house & when they closed down he had the opportunity to buy the house cheaply from them, he told me some of the houses were going to be demolished to make the a406 but the residents wouldn't budge, he said their was protests about it on the news, this was before Sainsburys was built on Roden St.
If these houses had been demolished I started wondering where I would be living instead.
Even though my family have lived in Ilford all our lives(Belmont Rd) it's nice to hear stories from an older generation, I could listen to him for hours a nice old geezer.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Scribbles on Jun 25th, 2015, 5:05pm
After Fred retired, the fruit stall lasted a little while under new ownership, as Ktype said above.  I don't remember using it much after Fred's time - the new owners either didn't have what I wanted or they'd already closed up for the day by the time  my train home arrived so I started buying my fruit & veg requirements from a stall near  where I worked instead.  
When Mrs Mitchell retired, the  sweet shop was taken on by a family but they never really seemed to have their hearts in it and used to overcharge for things (oh, sorry, that was a mistake ... for the second or third time in a week!).  It also coincided with a period when huge numbers of people were giving up smoking and much of the shop's business had been commuters calling in for their daily pack of 20 Whatever on the way to the station.  These days, it's a gents' hairdressers where they make a very good job of keeping Mr Scribbles' buzz-cut in  shape.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by ktype on Jun 29th, 2015, 11:10am
First, an apology for confusing the fruit (and veg) stall at Seven Kings with the one in Ilford!


on 06/25/15 at 17:05:16, Scribbles wrote:
These days, it's a gents' hairdressers where they make a very good job of keeping Mr Scribbles' buzz-cut in shape.

No - near miss, though! Mrs Mitchell's shop was next door to Fred's storage lock-up, which is now the gents hairdressers.

Mrs Mitchell's shop is now the "Tasty" fast food shop as you can see here. (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.564043,0.097357,3a,75y,263.47h,85.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLK-K9atCNC0cmr7isRt-rQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

I haven't been near it in its new guise so I don't know if it still has the missing parquet floor tile trip hazard in the middle of the floor which was very much a feature of the place in Mrs Mitchell's day!

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Jamlamont on Jun 29th, 2015, 11:29am
That's an interesting pic, k-type.

It reminded me that my old Nan used to buy her snuff from a tiny tobacconists shop there (think it might have been the hairdressers?). I think she called it "Johnson's" - that was either the name of the snuff or the shop......boy, did she used to sneeze!!

;-D

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Jamlamont on Jun 29th, 2015, 11:47am
Also, I think I used to work in the old LycaMobile shop when it was an employment agency...... ???

Not that I am expecting anyone to validate that!

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Scribbles on Jun 29th, 2015, 12:55pm

on 06/29/15 at 11:10:08, ktype wrote:
...... Mrs Mitchell's shop was next door to Fred's storage lock-up, which is now the gents hairdressers.

Mrs Mitchell's shop is now the "Tasty" fast food shop


My error - I'd forgotten when I wrote my previous post that there are two junk food shops on that block (Let's face it - Seven Kings has so many of them, it's easy to lose count).  I was trying to work out what had happened to the lock-up space without going up to the station to check and thought it must have been absorbed into the station building when it was re-vamped in the mid-80s.

I should think, also, the place where Jamlamont's nan bought her snuff must have been the shop that was Mrs Mitchell's in my time.  (My old Gran smoked 40 Craven-A per day and seemed quite glamorous to me when I was little as she was the only woman in our family who smoked - not sure what I'd have made of a snuff-snorting grandmother!)

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Toby on Jun 29th, 2015, 11:33pm

on 06/29/15 at 11:29:22, Jamlamont wrote:
That's an interesting pic, k-type.

It reminded me that my old Nan used to buy her snuff from a tiny tobacconists shop there (think it might have been the hairdressers?). I think she called it "Johnson's" - that was either the name of the snuff or the shop......boy, did she used to sneeze!!

;-D


S'nuff said!

Really,really sorry.
:)

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Pompadour on Jul 1st, 2015, 2:34pm

on 06/29/15 at 23:33:22, Toby wrote:
S'nuff said!

Really,really sorry.
:)


Think snuffing of it Tobes. ::)

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by ktype on Jul 6th, 2015, 10:26am

on 06/29/15 at 12:55:05, Scribbles wrote:
... I was trying to work out what had happened to the lock-up space without going up to the station to check and thought it must have been absorbed into the station building when it was re-vamped in the mid-80s ...

Actually, it played a part in that re-vamp. After Fred retired and the Fruit & Veg stall folded, I think the lock-up space remained unused for several years but, when the station was rebuilt, the back wall was knocked out providing access to the station overbridge and it became a temporary entrance when the booking office was out of commission.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by dowjohns on Aug 6th, 2016, 5:42pm
The three stall was owned by the same famialy Fruit stall outside C&A, The stall outside Ilford station, and the stall next to Seven Kings. Then they sold them as soon as 1981 arrived. Fred Dowsett ran the stall at seven kings station old bloke with a big hat, his nephew ran the Fruit stall on the pavement at old C&A, now Wilkinson, and Old Freds niece ran the fruit and veg stall outside the Ilford old station, The stall facing her brother"John" . A red haired women with glasess. John owned both The old C&A fruit stall, and the seven Kings stall, he use to set both stalls up in the mornings, amd you would sometimes see the Cranbrook road fruit stall all loaded amd ready but no ine there, because he had to go to seven king's to load up the other stall. The Seven king's station stall use to be the lift entrance to the station. but they took the old metal gates off the entrance to the short alleyway at the side of the statuon, put a roof on this alleyway. and some wooden doors instead of a metal 4 foot gate, aa,d wealth a fruit stall was created with suspected of genius as Cox's pronged piping and Fyfes bananas adds would say (Advert)and sold it to a suspecting prospective tor intrested or trained in the position of Fruit and veg. The ilford fruit stall with the lock up for the fruit was at the oldest Angel pub yard's old barrell shed.The stall Outside today's Wilook standing g in front of that fangled new mph like map systems , that let you press a button, for location, amd a bulb turned on, on the map, old Wilkinson brand name rebranded. of modernisations, The stall was a 1960s invention, with a short history, it was around the early mid 1960s it was first put their, because they just knocked down the Super-Cinima that stood abandoned since a Nazi V2 bomb hit it, and so in the early 1960s C&A was built, there was no pavement there in front of newer wilko store originaly, there use to be a curve in the road in entrance to the older super-cinima that stood dangerous build because of the bomb until 1959. John who owned the Stall for 10 years was a tall bloke with glasess, you see his son Mike work the stall in the 1970s to the early 80s defunked with his dad.
They famialy, had, had a stall around that area since the 1904s (flower stall) Ran by John's dad (John Dowsett senir) Who died in the 1970s.who was a resident of the a Romford Road I do belive the red haired women called Lile Johns elder sisterstill kept her stall even though her brother left, and I saw her years later around 1993 and she had a flower stall like the old days when her dad owned one in the same area in the 1940s, and 1950s. They originated from Bristol.
John with the glasess had another sister, she was a red head, the youngest out of the three named "Francis", she must have been in her early 30s in 1981. She had a ice cream stall, she died unfortunately around 1981 of cancer. John must be about 75 today,and his sister Lile must be over 80. His mum Lile senior use to be seen sometimes on the stall, she must be near 100 years old today
John Moved to Leicester market

To stop things changing all the time. we take precautions against this change than may indeed upset, or ofended some people, and we leave the old buildings up so everything on paper looks very simular to any given requested date by a individual of a memory they would like to preserve, so even though the poles may have gone, the road still looks the same as it did when the memory's was fresh of the times,mand the people, I guess theses uncurupterble corpses of the 19th century we know as "old buildings" have a motive and a reason to as to why they are still their, to some who just for the life of them canot forget. These trip down memory lane revivalist sure dish out listed building status like slices of bread in a loaf. But if you want your say, and it is your right i may add, you may take your complaint intstead to the town hall, to put your proposal to block older building remaining up for to long,and potition the Westminsterto have them demolished no later than a date of 83 years old from first built, because thry"want to forget it all", and have the building pulled down, and regenerated. Hitler tried a prototype of this and even hit the Ilford clock tower with a bomb even though they had moved it to the park from the middle of the road of Iford broadway blocking the road up a bit.
Sympathisers on the England-flag side took there new prototype to Genrmay to get some atention because this country is getting so bad it's loosing all the good talent abroad. and the England's demonstrated using Germans houses as a subject to show of there new machinery how to pull down houses efficiently as not to be remeber, with a wink, a "enough said atitude"..
The idea never took off. it had a 5 year fad flash in the pan, if you look at older archive photos of Britain, showing these bad memory's.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by Scribbles on Aug 7th, 2016, 10:04am
Well, your last sentence is certainly correct, dowjohns! Funny how rumour and garbled versions always appear more attractive than the truth.
Thank you for your very comprehensive history of the fruit stalls. That's the first time I'd ever heard Fred's surname. I do remember Fred's trilby hat; never saw him without it and one of my friends used to speculate that he slept in it!

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by dowjohns on Aug 7th, 2016, 11:58pm
Thanks it has been edited so your coment may seem inipropreate
now sorry for that.

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by ktype on Aug 8th, 2016, 11:07am

on 08/06/16 at 17:42:05, dowjohns wrote:
... so in the early 1960s C&A was built, there was no pavement there in front of newer wilko store originaly, there use to be a curve in the road in entrance to the older super-cinima that stood dangerous build because of the bomb until 1959 ...

Another major change in that area, and which might surprise younger readers or those relatively new to the area is that where the entrance to The Exchange is now was originally the end of Ley Street - as can be seen from this extract from a 1970 bus map. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24301298/Ilford_1970.PNG)

Title: Re: Fruit Stall next to Ilford Train Station
Post by ktype on Oct 30th, 2016, 11:09am
If the map I referred to in my previous post had been 12 years older, the 169 and 193 would have been numbered 691 and 693 because they were trolleybus routes!

As it been 11 years since we last covered this topic, you might like to take a look here: http://www.ilford.org.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1133107364;start=0#0



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