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Burnes Furniture
« on: Oct 26th, 2009, 12:55pm »
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I have a piece of furniture that on the inside has a small plaque that says, C.W. Burnes Cranbrook Road Ilford  
IG2 6 HW. The piece of furniture may be a blanket chest. I am trying to research the age of the piece and a history of the manufacturer. Can anybody provide some information? Very grateful for anyone's assistance.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 4:17pm »
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From what I know , Burnes furniture was bought by Chiesmans, who owned Drapery stores in and around London, in 1959. Chiesmans were bought out by the House of Frazer group in 1976. Hope this is of some help.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 4:27pm »
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The information I've found largely agrees with Pompadour's except for the date of acquisition by House of Frazer which is 1972, according to House of Fraser's own archives.
 
Chiesman's must have continued to trade as C W Burnes because your plaque includes the Postcode. I don't know the date of introduction of coding to Ilford addresses but it would not have been until the late 60s, at least.
 
Do you have a specific reason for making this request?
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 4:39pm »
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Wiki Answers says
Postcodes were introduced between 1959 and 1974. Before then, mail was addressed using a postal town and county name. The latter ensured addresses were fairly unambiguous, although there are still some instances of multiple towns in a county having the same name. Postcode areas are determined by distance from sorting offices and do not follow county boundaries at all in fact, they also cross the boundaries between England, Wales and Scotland.
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So therefore if you have a piece of furniture with a postcode identifier it means your item is 'probably' not older than 50yrs old ...sorry I couldn't help further! Cry
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 5:30pm »
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I believe I added the postal code by mistake (after looking at the postal codes for the websites)as it does not appear on the label. The chest belongs to a friend of mine. Would anyone know when the Burnes business was started as "home furnishers"?
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 5:37pm »
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on Oct 26th, 2009, 12:55pm, Dioptase wrote:
I have a piece of furniture that on the inside has a small plaque that says, C.W. Burnes Cranbrook Road Ilford
IG2 6 HW.

 
How very strange!
You mean you actually read a postal code that wasn't there?
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 5:42pm »
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In researching Burnes and Ilford, I copied down the postal code for Ilford mainly as a reference. I then absendtmindedly used it as part of the information on the label.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 27th, 2009, 12:08pm »
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on Oct 26th, 2009, 12:55pm, Dioptase wrote:
The piece of furniture may be a blanket chest. I am trying to research the age of the piece and a history of the manufacturer.

I wish you well in your search. I do have a couple of suggestions, though I doubt you will learn much more of use to you here.
 
Burnes do seem to have been a reputable manufacturer who had been around for some time. Some of their furniture has migrated to the antipodes, so either they exported or emigrants considered the furniture worth the cost of shipping it to the other side of the world.
 
For a mere NZ$1895 you can have a "Quality walnut cocktail cabinet, c1910, glass shelves and slide out tray inside, dovetailed drawers, label on rear C W Burnes Ltd, Ilford. Very elegant and could be the centrepiece of a room." The date may be of use to you.
 
Another New Zealand site, a bit like e-bay, from the look of it, lists an "Art Deco.. Oak Side Board.. C. W. Burnes Ltd., 61, 61 A & 63 A Cranbrook Road, Ilford... Located in central London (sic), England.. everything original ... in good condition. has some scratches and dents but nothing serious. no bora or loose joints. drawers goes well.
 
probably victorian or early 19th century piece of furniture."

 
As it is listed in the 1900 - 1949 section, perhaps that should read early 20th century ...!
 
Burnes must have been a fair sized company - a 1955 advert currently for sale on e-bay describes them as ship furnishers and they claim to have been responsible for fully furnishing a number of vessels, including liners.
 
As far as the item of furniture is concerned, I suggest you you contact one or more auction houses specialising in furniture. Alas, one I encountered who definitely knew their products has vanished, their website returning 'page not found'. However, it is obvious from what I've been able to find out that their work is known, so you must have more than a fair chance of finding out all you need to know about the piece, if not the company itself.
 
Many people who've posted requests here in the past have been helped by the Local Studies and Archive department of Redbridge libraries:
 
Local Studies and Archives Service
Central Library
Clements Road
Ilford
Essex
IG1 1EA
 
Email: local.studies@redbridge.gov.uk
 
Telephone: 020 8708 2417
 
They are bound to have some information about the company.
 
Please come back and let us know what you find - others may also be interested.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 27th, 2009, 3:09pm »
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Kent Auctions have a couple of Burnes items up for auction, might be worthwhile contacting them for guidance on value.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 28th, 2009, 11:59pm »
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Talking of Clements Rd,does anyone remember Jock Sorbie who
used to own a barbers shop opposite the library entrance ?  His son went on to work as a hairdresser to the stars in Hollywood.
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 29th, 2009, 9:09am »
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Talking of barbers, my favourite one in Ilford is in Ley Street and is called The Barber of Bagdad!
 
It always makes me smile and for some strange reason makes me think of Sweeney Todd.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 29th, 2009, 4:53pm »
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on Oct 28th, 2009, 11:59pm, Feenix wrote:
Talking of Clements Rd,does anyone remember Jock Sorbie who used to own a barbers shop opposite the library entrance ?

I knew the guy you mean - he used to cut my hair!
 
Closed down/retired when the council wanted to demolish his shop as part of the town redevelopment but it was in Oakfield Road - Clements Road is where the Post Office used to be.
 
He didn't live in Ilford, at least not when I knew him but I can't remember where he did live - I know it was some way away.
 
Didn't close for lunch, as I recall, and someone from the local cafe used to bring in cups of tea for him. No idea what he did about 'disposal' though.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 15th, 2020, 9:59am »
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I have a C. W. Burnes Suite of bedroom furniture. It is of a very high quality. The main piece, a three-door wardrobe, can be taken apart, which I had to do to move at one point. Once dismantled, I found a half-franc piece that was, if I recollect correctly, dated 1923. Since it was pristine, I imagine that it dates to the time a holiday was taken in France, and fell out of a trouser pocket upon return to Blighty. It is strongly suggestive that purchasers of Burnes' furniture were well-to-do.
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